ILA’s official podcast, Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders, offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Host Scott Allen and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.

The ILA also partners with ILA Member Maureen Metcalf on a series of global leadership episodes each year within the Innovating Leadership: Co-Creating Our Future podcast. ILA Members Lauren Bullock and Dan Jenkins partner with ILA to feature the work of ILA members on a series of episodes within the Leadership Educator Podcast.

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

Two Turntables and the Right Tone

Scott and guest Dr. Matt Dearmon discuss practice and theory in corporate leadership development. Matt has a Ph.D. in Curriculum and Instruction from UT-Austin and guides leadership and professional development at the global enterprise level.

Is That a Butterfly?

World-renowned body language expert, Mark Bowden shares insights with Scott from his best-selling books, highly acclaimed TEDx talk on The Importance of Being In-Authentic, and the weekly YouTube sensation, The Behavior Panel.

Our Life Is What Our Thoughts Make It

Scott is joined by Joe Hart, President & CEO of Dale Carnegie Training. In 2019, Hart was named CEO Forum Magazine’s top 12 Transformative Leaders in the U.S. for his leadership of the “One Carnegie” global cultural and change management program that he initiated within the company.


Proactivity (including leadership) means thinking about the future and acting strategically to change current trajectories to avoid future problems and create better futures. Dr. Tom Bateman joins Scott.

Welcoming the Butterflies

Dr. Assegid Habtewold shares strategies for emerging leaders that he writes about in his new book Overcoming 1st Timer Syndrome: 11 Antidotes to Thrive Beyond First-Time Leadership Pitfalls.

I’m Gonna Walk With You

Ex-professional bodyboarder Brendan Newton – recruitment manager for the Australian Indigenous Mentoring Experience (AIME) – joins Scott to discuss his work inspiring others and serving the disadvantaged.

A Brave Space

Scott chats with ILA’s Lifetime Achievement Award winner Dr. Ronald Heifetz, one of the foremost authorities on the practice and teaching of leadership.

The Evolving Self

Scott chats with Reo Watanabe, one of the founding members of the International College of Liberal Arts (iCLA) in Japan, established in 2015 to educate future global leaders from Japan through an innovative liberal arts curriculum.

A Fuller Contact With Reality

Dr. Bill Torbert, Leadership Professor Emeritus at Boston College, joins Scott to discuss his groundbreaking life’s work on Collaborative Developmental Action Inquiry and how we can transform ourselves, social science, and society.

Vertical Development

Dr. Karl Kuhnert and Dr. Keith Eigel discuss the vertical development of leaders and how to maximize personal effectiveness.

The Deep Learning Mindset

Dr. Jon Wergin explores how we can cultivate a deep learning mindset in ourselves and our students, one that gives us “permission to continually be curious about the world.”