ILA’s official podcast, Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders, offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Host Scott Allen and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.

The ILA also partners with ILA Member Maureen Metcalf on a series of global leadership episodes each year within the Innovating Leadership: Co-Creating Our Future podcast. ILA Members Lauren Bullock and Dan Jenkins partner with ILA to feature the work of ILA members on a series of episodes within the Leadership Educator Podcast.

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

An Achievement of the Collective

Dr. Cynthia McCauley shares nuggets of wisdom on leadership development in organizations. She has 35+ years of experience in leader development methods including developmental assignments and relationships, 360-degree feedback, and action learning.

I Came Back Yesterday From Moscow

ILA Lifetime Achievement Award Winner Dr. Manfred F. R. Kets de Vries discusses a leadership training he did in Russia just prior to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He ended his class by warning: Ideology overrules rationality; paranoia is the disease of kings; and he who rides a tiger cannot dismount. Prescient words.

Followers and Tyrants

Scott interviews Ira Chaleff, author, speaker, workshop presenter, and innovative thinker on the beneficial use of power between those who are leading and those who are following in any given situation.

What’s Dumbing Us Down?

Democracies are under threat around the globe. ILA Lifetime Achievement Award Winner Dr. Henry Mintzberg joins Scott to discuss democracy and the idea that there are only a few dozens countries that are models of balance. Why can’t we get this right?

A House Built by Slaves

Dr. Jonathan W. White discusses his most recent book, A House Built By Slaves: African American Visitors to the Lincoln White House.

Beyond Whiteness in Leadership Theorizing

While race is rarely spoken about within leadership theorizing, Dr. Donna Ladkin, Dr. Cherie Bridges Patrick, & Dr. Marion Missy McGee deconstruct leadership theories to reveal the unconscious racial perspectives behind them.

Minds at Work

Dr. Deborah Helsing, an expert in adult development and Immunity to Change, joins Scott to discuss how to assist individuals, teams, and organizations making personal and collective change. She also shares her personal leadership journey and how to connect with people you can learn from, grow with, and continue on with.

Two Turntables and the Right Tone

Scott and guest Dr. Matt Dearmon discuss practice and theory in corporate leadership development. Matt has a Ph.D. in Curriculum and Instruction from UT-Austin and guides leadership and professional development at the global enterprise level.

Is That a Butterfly?

World-renowned body language expert, Mark Bowden shares insights with Scott from his best-selling books, highly acclaimed TEDx talk on The Importance of Being In-Authentic, and the weekly YouTube sensation, The Behavior Panel.

Our Life Is What Our Thoughts Make It

Scott is joined by Joe Hart, President & CEO of Dale Carnegie Training. In 2019, Hart was named CEO Forum Magazine’s top 12 Transformative Leaders in the U.S. for his leadership of the “One Carnegie” global cultural and change management program that he initiated within the company.


Proactivity (including leadership) means thinking about the future and acting strategically to change current trajectories to avoid future problems and create better futures. Dr. Tom Bateman joins Scott.

Welcoming the Butterflies

Dr. Assegid Habtewold shares strategies for emerging leaders that he writes about in his new book Overcoming 1st Timer Syndrome: 11 Antidotes to Thrive Beyond First-Time Leadership Pitfalls.