ILA Podcast

Minds at Work

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Deborah Helsing


Dr. Deborah Helsing, an expert in adult development and Immunity to Change, joins Scott to discuss how to assist individuals, teams, and organizations making personal and collective change. She also shares her personal leadership journey and how to connect with people you can learn from, grow with, and continue on with.


“I’ve been lucky enough to follow my own questions…I never had a map of what I wanted my career to look like. I felt like I could follow my interests and I’ve been lucky enough to connect with people I could learn from, grow with, and continue on.”

“(The Immunity to Change Exercise) is a little bit like a Trojan horse…maybe your improvement goal was very focused on one thing, but if you get to something powerful…it does start to impact other areas of your life.”

“Development is one important factor in someone’s effectiveness as a leader.”

About Deborah Helsing

Deborah Helsing, Ed.D., is a lecturer on education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education (HGSE). She teaches courses in adult development, Immunity to Change, and she co-teaches a course titled, Practicing Leadership Inside and Out. She also provides individualized executive coaching to high potential educational leaders as part of the Doctor of Educational Leadership (Ed.L.D.) program. In addition to her faculty appointment, Helsing is a co-director at Minds at Work, an organization assisting individuals, teams, and organizations in making personal and collective change. Helsing is published in leading academic journals and is a co-author of the following books: An Everyone Culture (2016), Right Weight/Right Mind (2016), and Change Leadership (2006). Helsing holds a B.A. in English from Grinnell College, a master’s degree from the University of Michigan, and a doctorate from HGSE.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.