ILA Podcast

We The Gamers

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Kat Schrier


Scott talks with Dr. Kat Schrier, author of We the Gamers: How Games Teach Ethics & Civics, on how games such as Fortnite, Among Us, and Minecraft are spaces to practice resource distribution, civic discourses, and ethical decision making.

Quotes From This Episode

“Even Fortnite, Among Us, Minecraft, are games where you’re managing your resources, communicating with others, and you might be building stories…and these are games where people are really practicing civic discourse.”

“I think the big takeaway is that we are learning when we play games. We are learning through play. It doesn’t matter if it’s specifically an educational game, or it’s a game that is like Minecraft or Fortnite.”

“I think that games are really helping us to practice ethics, ethical thinking, and ethical decision making.”

About Dr. Kat Schrier

Dr. Kat Schrier is an Associate Professor, Director of the Play Innovation Lab, and Director of the Games and Emerging Media program at Marist College. She is the author of We the Gamers: How Games Teach Ethics & Civics, published by Oxford University Press (2021), and Knowledge Games, published by Johns Hopkins University Press (2016). She has previously edited two book series, Ethics and Game Design and Learning, Education, & Games. She was a Belfer Fellow with the ADL’s Center for Technology & Society, and she is co-PI for a Templeton Grant on designing VR games for empathy. Prior to joining the Marist College faculty, she worked as a media producer at Scholastic, Nickelodeon, BrainPOP, and ESI Design. She has a doctorate from Columbia University, a master’s from MIT, and a bachelor’s from Amherst College. 

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.