ILA Podcast

Using Mediated Dialogue for Meaningful Conversations

Leadership Educator Podcast

with Chuck Palus and Steadman Harrison

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In this episode, Dr. Chuck Palus and Steadman Harrison from the Center for Creative Leadership share stories of using mediated dialogue to facilitate meaningful conversations amongst leaders and followers across the world.

About Charles J. (Chuck) Palus

Chuck Palus

Charles J. (Chuck) Palus, PhD, is a Senior Fellow in Research at the Center for Creative Leadership (retired 2020). He studies, teaches, and develops leadership as a relational process within the context of the vertical transformation of leadership cultures. He is co-founder of CCL Labs, a community-based innovation laboratory with a line of products including Visual Explorer™, Leadership Essentials™, Transformations™, and the Early Leadership Toolkit™. He is a passionate contributor to the CCL Societal Impact agenda and has worked extensively in Africa from the grass roots to senior levels at the African Union. He is co-author of the award-winning book The Leader’s Edge; and the papers: Making Common Sense: Leadership as Meaning-Making in a Community of Practice, and Evolving Leaders. He work appears in Leadership Quarterly, Harvard Business Review, and the Harvard Business School Handbook for Teaching Leadership. 

About Steadman Harrison

Steadman Harrison

Steadman Harrison is a global champion for the democratization of leadership development. With 25 plus years of experience, he is an expert facilitator, executive coach, and curriculum designer with a successful track record in large-scale complex projects providing results that matter. Harrison serves as an innovation catalyst to help design, deliver, and test new and sustainable models for human development that are inclusive, accessible, and affordable. He has supported interventions across all sectors with a special focus on government and non-government organizations. Harrison’s experience as a senior faculty member and associate spans the Americas, Europe, Middle East, Africa, and Asia. For the past two decades he has trained extensively across the continent of Africa after establishing CCL’s Social Sector Innovation Hub headquartered in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. serves to expand the work of human development for the good of all – everyone, everywhere.

About the Hosts

Lauren Bullock

Lauren Bullock is an Assistant Professor of Instruction at Temple University, where she teaches leadership development and public relations courses. Before transitioning to full-time faculty, Lauren led the university’s leadership development co-curricular programs for six years. Before joining Temple in 2008, Lauren worked in athletic administration at Florida State University and the University of Texas at Austin. Currently, Lauren is writing her dissertation in leadership and change management at Antioch University. Her research interests include faculty-student interaction, generational theory in higher education, purpose and meaningful work, and groups and team dynamics. She works with Dan to set project goals, research and write episode scripts and descriptions, contact guests, craft social media content and strategy.

Dan Jenkins

Dan Jenkins, Ph.D., co-host of the Leadership Educator Podcast is Chair and Associate Professor of Leadership & Organizational Studies at the University of Southern Maine (USM) where he teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in leadership and organizational theory, research methods, and leadership education. Before joining the faculty at USM, Dan was an academic advisor and co-director of the leadership studies minor at the University of South Florida while also teaching Political Science courses at Hillsborough Community College. Before working in higher education, Dan worked for John Hancock Mutual Funds, in hospitality at various restaurants and sports arenas, for the Florida House of Representatives Committee on Appropriations, and as a staff member and volunteer in gubernatorial and school board election campaigns. Dan is a co-author of The Role of Leadership Educators: Transforming Learning and has published more than 40 articles and book chapters on leadership education. Dan mixes and produces the podcast, works with Lauren to curate guests, and researches and prepares content for episodes. 

About the Leadership Educator Podcast

Teaching leadership is hard. Join professors Dan Jenkins and Lauren Bullock, leadership educators with 25+ yrs experience in curricular and co-curricular leadership programs in higher education, as they capture in dialogue questions from their peers and share knowledge and expertise on facilitating leadership learning. Passionate about leadership education? Want to expand your resource toolbox with practical strategies for teaching, learning, and program design? This is the podcast for you! 

The ILA is proud to partner with members Dan Jenkins and Lauren Bullock on a series of episodes each year.  Visit to listen to all of Dan and Lauren’s podcasts.