ILA Podcast

The Scholarly Practitioner

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Susan R. Madsen


ILA Member Dr. Susan R. Madsen, one of the top global thought leaders on women and leadership, chats with Scott about the intersections of scholarship and practice and how, if we really want to move the needle on global challenges, we need to move forward together with greater diversity, inclusion, and belonging.

Quotes From This Episode

“I have CEOs all the time that say to me, ‘okay, I’m hiring women, but they’re not staying.’ And I’m like, ‘describe your culture.'”

“The research is so clear that when you have a mix of great men and great women working together in leadership teams…better things are going to happen – more innovation, and more creativity…”

“I’ve always said the difference between a guru and a scholar is that the gurus have all the answers and scholars have all the questions. I have way more questions.”

“When you can get into that wonderful space where your head, heart, and hands all connect – then it really is powerful.”

Dr. Susan R. Madsen

Professor Susan R. Madsen, Ph.D., is the Karen Haight Huntsman Endowed Professor of Leadership in the Jon M. Huntsman School of Business at Utah State University. She is also a Visiting Fellow of the Faculty of Economics and Business at the University of Zagreb (Croatia) and a former Fellow of The Leadership Trust Foundation in Ross-on-Wye, England. Dr. Madsen is considered one of the top global thought leaders on the topic of women and leadership, has authored or edited eight books, and has published hundreds of articles, chapters, and reports. Her research has been featured in the U.S. News and World Report, The Atlantic, The New York Times, Parenting Magazine, Chronicle of Higher Education, The Washington Post, and she is a regular contributor to Forbes. She is a well-known speaker in local, national, and international settings. Susan has founded many women’s networks, and she serves on a host of nonprofit, community, and association boards and committees. Madsen has received numerous awards for her teaching, research, and service.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.