ILA Podcast

The Power of Resentment

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Joanne Ciulla, Professor and Director of the Institute for Ethical Leadership at Rutgers University


ILA Lifetime Achievement Award winner Dr. Joanne Ciulla joins Scott for a conversation on the power of resentment as an effective means for leaders to cultivate loyal followers even if the leaders do not serve the followers’ interests.

Quotes From This Episode

“Philosopher Max Scheler describes what he calls the ‘arriviste.’ And he’s really describing Hitler…he describes the social phenomena that allow for leaders like that to emerge and use resentment as a way of gaining power.”

“If you think of what leaders do, they’re people who take responsibility for something…it’s fundamental for moral accountability.”

“Nelson Mandela wrote: ‘they don’t see me. They see me as a saint. But I’m only a saint who is a sinner who keeps on trying.’ And so I think the same could be said of someone like Gandhi or Martin Luther King. They become iconic leaders, they embody a cause. And to some extent, they’re no longer themselves anymore.”

About Dr. Joanne Ciulla

Dr. Joanne Ciulla is a professor and Director of the Institute for Ethical Leadership at Rutgers University. She is a pioneer in the field of leadership ethics. Before joining Rutgers, she held the Coston Family Chair in Leadership and Ethics at the Jepson School of Leadership Studies (University of Richmond), where she was a founding faculty member of the first degree-granting liberal arts school of leadership studies in the world. She has held academic appointments at Harvard Business School, The Wharton School, LaSalle University, and numerous visiting appointments outside the U.S. She sits on the editorial boards of The Business Ethics Quarterly and The Leadership Quarterly.

Professor Ciulla is the recipient of the Lifetime Achievement Award for Outstanding Contribution to Scholarship in Business Ethics from the Society for Business Ethics, the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Leadership Association, The Eminent Scholar Award from the Network of Leadership Scholars in the Academy of Management, The Lifetime Achievement Award for Service from the Society for Business Ethics, The Master Teacher Award from The Wheatley Institution and the Society for Business Ethics, The Outstanding Faculty Award from the Virginia State Council of Higher Education, and The Distinguished Educator Award from the University of Richmond.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.