ILA Podcast

Leaders Who Lust

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Barbara Kellerman, James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School


Scott chats with ILA Lifetime Achievement Award winner Dr. Barbara Kellerman on her book, Leaders Who Lust.  

Quotes from This Episode

“Every time I speak about leadership, I speak equally about followership and the setting with which this leadership and followership takes place.”

“We know that there are some people who are driven and obsessive who have this life force. But they’re not widely studied…they’re not at all studied. They’re not written about. And yet they often change the world.”

“I certainly take the point of view that the lust to try to legitimize an oppressed group is a good thing. There are other lusts such as the lust for power, which is probably almost always not so wonderful because it implies power over someone.”

“Leaders who lust seem to have an energy, a life force, a zeal, and a dedication to a particular goal. And we, we look at them with a measure of awe.”

About Dr. Barbara Kellerman

Dr. Barbara Kellerman is the James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School. Kellerman received her B.A. from Sarah Lawrence College and three degrees from Yale University: an M.A. in Russian and East European Studies and both an M.Phil., and Ph.D. in Political Science. She was awarded a Danforth Fellowship and three Fulbright Fellowships. Kellerman is a co-founder of the International Leadership Association. 

New Book: The Enablers: How Team Trump Flunked the Pandemic and Failed America

Other Books: Leaders Who Lust: Power Money Sex Success Legitimacy Legacy; Professionalizing Leadership; Leadership: Essential Selections on Power, Authority, and Influence; FollowershipBad Leadership; Leadership: Multidisciplinary Perspectives.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.