ILA Podcast

It Has to Be With Others…

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Jon Wergin


Quotes from This Episode
  • “We cannot learn deeply without feeling something.”
  • “If you want people to learn deeply, it has to be with others…we all need other people to challenge our world view through dialogue.”
  • “Probably the most important skill that people need to learn to be able to help others is to master the skill of empathy.”

About the Guest

Dr. Jon Wergin is a Professor of Education Studies at the Graduate School of Leadership & Change at Antioch University. We discuss Jon’s latest book, Deep Learning in a Disorientating World, and his thoughts on creating an environment where deep learning can occur. We explore the notion of a “deep learning mindset” as a way of being and the notion of constructive disorientation.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.