ILA Podcast

Integral Leadership

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Jonathan Reams


Stretch your mind and explore the world of integral leadership! This quote stood out for me – I have a lot to learn! “Instead of looking at linear causality  (‘well, we’ll have to figure out who’s to blame’), people can start to see that there are multiple considerations, multiple influences, systemic ways of looking at things. That has been one of the core elements of integral leadership.”

Quotes From This Episode

  • (On consciousness) “the simple four-quadrant map where there’s the interior subjective world, but there’s also the external behavior of individuals. Then there’s the collective interior of how culture shapes how we show up as individuals, but there are also external systems, institutions, rewards, and all those kinds of things. So all of this helped me see that there’s more to it than just consciousness. There are interdependencies between these things. And nobody was really talking about this in terms of leadership.”
  • “One that has been foremost in my thinking and work is really this developmental notion that we mature, as we grow older, and that the structures or forms or ways you can characterize that maturity, don’t stop just because our bodies stop growing.”
  • “In terms of leadership, I’ve seen some things that a friend of mine would call ‘proto-integral’ – you see people who are starting to put more pieces together.”

About Dr. Jonathan Reams

Dr. Jonathan Reams has an insatiable curiosity about the essence of human nature and how to cultivate this essence in the service of leadership. He is a professor at Norwegian University of Science and Technology, where he teaches and researches leadership development, coaching, and counseling. He serves as Editor-in Chief of Integral Review, A Transdisciplinary and Transcultural Journal for New Thought, Praxis and Research. He is also a co-founder of the European Center for Leadership Practice and the Center for Transformative Leadership. Jonathan’s Ph.D. is in Leadership Studies from Gonzaga University.

Jonathan practices the cultivation of leadership through consulting and leadership development program design and delivery. He brings awareness-based technology to this work, focusing on how the inner workings of human nature can develop leadership capacities for today’s complex challenges. 

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.