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Who Do We Choose To Be?

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leadership Podcast. Episode 175 - Dr. Margaret Wheatley & Dr. Kathleen Allen - Who Do We Choose To Be? The Official Podcast of the International Leadership Association

with Dr. Margaret Wheatley


Margaret Wheatley joins Scott and guest co-host Kathy Allen to discuss the arc of her work over the past 30 years, restoring sanity, and training people to work at the local level.


“My aspiration is for you to see clearly so that you may act wisely.”

About Dr. Margaret Wheatley

Since 1966, Dr. Margaret Wheatley has worked globally in many different roles: a speaker, teacher, community worker, consultant, advisor, formal leader. From these deep and varied experiences, she has developed the unshakable conviction that leaders must learn how to evoke people’s inherent generosity, creativity, and need for community. As this world tears us apart, sane leadership on behalf of the human spirit is the only way forward.

She is a best-selling author of nine books, from the classic Leadership and the New Science in 1992. A recent work is The Warrior’s Songline, a multi-sensory experience of the journey Warriors for the Human Spirit take to become the presence of insight and compassion–no matter what is happening around them. This new form melds together voice and sound, creating an evocative and transcendent listening

Meg’s latest book is the second edition of Who Do We Choose To Be? Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership, Restoring Sanity.

Guest Co-Host: Dr. Kathy Allen

Dr. Kathy Allen specializes in leadership coaching and organizational change in non-profit organizations, foundations, small to mid-sized businesses, community development, higher educational institutions, and collaborative networks.

Dr. Allen has written and presented widely on topics of leadership, human development, and organizational development. She is a skilled facilitator of organizational change and organizational development. The earmarks of her work are the creation of shared ownership of the results of a change project, long-term sustainable change for the organization, and increased capacity for the staff members and leaders in those organizations.

Dr. Allen’s most recent book is  Leading from the Roots: Nature Inspired Leadership Lessons for Today’s World. This book firmly anchors leadership in the soil of nature. It’s a foundational leadership framework that challenges our 20th-century views that leadership concepts can be universally applied to all contexts.

Host Dr. Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live. Phronesis is the official podcast of the International Leadership Association.

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