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Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Michael Gothe


Michael Gothe joins Scott to discuss agile leadership and the need for a learning mindset when leading in complexity.

Quotes From This Episode

“I don’t think there is  a formal study of or body of knowledge about ‘Agile leadership.’ I think it’s about leading in complexity.”

“The key to success is learning. And the biggest hindrance for learning is when you think you know.”

“So as a leader, you first need to kind of shift from a ‘know it all’ to ‘learn it all’ approach.” (attributed to Microsoft’s CEO, Satya Nadella)”In Agile, you work with creating faster feedback loops and high-quality feedback loops. You want to have both quantitative and qualitative data.”

About Michael Gothe

Michael Gothe is an Agile Organizational Coach at Crisp in Stockholm, Sweden. He has 20+ years of experience in building high-performance team-based Agile organizations and has worked with large multi-national/cultural organizations and start-up companies. Michael is passionate about transforming businesses to become truly Agile organizations that create fantastic value for customers and are an inspiring place for people to work. He also loves capturing the moment through photography, lives close to nature outside Stockholm, and is a proud father of three.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.