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It’s Overwhelming

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leadership Podcast. Episode 205 - Dr. Jonathan Gosling. It's Overwhelming. The Official Podcast of the International Leadership Association

Guest: Dr. Jonathan Gosling


Jonathan Gosling joins Scott for an engaging conversation on what’s top of mind for him these days: Systems change and making a difference in the world. He also reflects on how the leadership development industry has made itself irrelevant with their focus on the entrepreneurial individual.

Gosling is an ILA Lifetime Achievement Award Winner and is, most recently, co-author of Exploring Leadership.  Learn more about his ongoing work at

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott J. Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Robert M. Ginn Institute Professor for Leadership & Social Responsibility at John Carroll University. Allen is a professor of management and teaches courses in leadership, the future of work, and executive communication.

Scott has published more than 60 book chapters and peer-reviewed journal articles. He is the co-author of The Little Book of Leadership Development: 50 Ways to Bring Out the Leader in Every EmployeeEmotionally Intelligent Leadership: A Guide for College StudentsCaptovation: Online Presentations by Design;  and the textbook Discovering Leadership: Designing Your Success (2023).

In addition to writing and teaching, Scott consults, facilitates workshops, and leads retreats across industries. Learn more about Scott at

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live. Phronesis is the official podcast of the International Leadership Association. 

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