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Conscious Objectivity

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leadership Podcast. Episode 208 - The Right Honourable Beverly McLachlin - Conscious Objectivity. The Official Podcast of the International Leadership Association

Guest: The Right Honourable Beverly McLachlin


ILA’s 2023 Distinguished Leadership Award Winner, The Right Honourable Beverly McLachlin, former Chief Justice of Canada, joins Scott to discuss conscious objectivity and the work leaders need to do to actually hear opposing viewpoints through the noise of built in cognitive biases.

The Right Honourable Beverley McLachlin, P.C., C.C., CStJ, served as Chief Justice of Canada from 2000 to mid-December 2017. In June 2018, she was made a Companion of the Order of Canada, the country’s highest accolade. She works in ADR as a bilingual arbitrator and mediator in Canada and internationally. 

She is the author of the bestselling Jilly Truitt Defense Attorney crime novels and and award-winning autobiography, Truth Be Told: My Journey Through Life and the Law.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott J. Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is an award-winning educator passionate about working with people at all levels and across industries. He spent more than 20 years as a professor of management, and his areas of expertise include leadership, leader development, the future of work, and executive communication.  He is the founder and Principal at S & J Allen, LLC and formerly the Robert M. Ginn Institute Professor for Leadership & Social Responsibility at John Carroll University.

Scott has published more than 60 book chapters and peer-reviewed journal articles. He is the co-author of The Little Book of Leadership Development: 50 Ways to Bring Out the Leader in Every EmployeeEmotionally Intelligent Leadership: A Guide for College StudentsCaptovation: Online Presentations by Design;  and the textbook Discovering Leadership: Designing Your Success (2023).

Scott frequently serves as a keynote speaker. In addition, he consults, facilitates workshops, and leads retreats across industries. Learn more about Scott at

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