ILA Podcast

The Holy Grail of Leadership Development

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Dr. Bruce Avolio


Bruce Avolio, one of the most cited leadership scholars in the world, joins Scott to discuss the holy grail around leadership development – our perspective-taking capacity.

Quotes From This Episode

“What I would consider, maybe still the holy grail, around leadership development is our perspective-taking capacity.” 

“So if I were to create what I call a “gamulation,” for engaging people in their own development, what would that look like? It would be a series of scenarios and challenges.”

About Dr. Bruce Avolio

Dr. Bruce Avolio has published 12 books and over 150 articles on leadership and related areas. In 2012, Bruce was identified as being in the top 25 management scholars over the last 50 years regarding scholarly citations of his work. In 2017, Bruce was recognized as being among the top 70 most highly cited researchers in the United States in Economics and Business and among the top 3,000 across all sciences around the globe (Thompson Reuters). He was listed this past year at the #18 spot on the all-time most highly cited industrial and organizational psychology researchers over the last 100 years. Dr. Avolio has consulted with hundreds of organizations around the globe in the design and delivery of transformative leadership development systems. Bruce was named a Fellow of the American Psychological Society, Academy of Management, American Psychological Association, Society for Industrial & Organizational Psychology, and Gerontological Society. His latest book is Organizational Transformation: How to Achieve it One Person at a Time

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.