ILA Podcast

Leadership and Metaversities

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Steve Grubbs


Steve Grubbs joins Scott to talk about the “metaversity,” a combination of the metaverse and the university, and what students today expect in an immersive learning environment.

About Steve Grubbs

Steve Grubbs is the founder of VictoryXR,, ChalkBites, and Victory Enterprises. He is a proud member of the Young Presidents’ Organization (YPO). Early in his life, Steve served as Chairman of the House Education Committee in the Iowa House of Representatives and passed the largest technology funding bill in state history. Today, he’s working to create a place for a virtual reality curriculum in schools. Steve has degrees in business and law from the University of Iowa.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.