ILA Podcast

Work on It Until You Become It

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with  Dr. Sadhana Warty Hall


Dr. Sadhana Warty Hall discusses her work co-chairing ILA’s General Principles Task Force and the guidelines she helped develop for academic curricular and co-curricular leadership programs.

Quotes From This Episode

  • On the passing of Gama Perruci – “I feel he lives with us and lives through the students, the faculty, the alumni, that are really influenced by his thoughts.”
  • “I do not subscribe to the notion that you should ‘fake it till you make it.’ You should ‘work on it until you become it!'”
  • “Leadership is turning talk into action.”
  • “I think that (leadership education) has to be married with the field of endeavor…you can put the two together and make really excellent managers and leaders…people who are leaders and followers.”

About Dr. Sadhana Warty Hall

Sadhana Warty Hall’s commitment as both a teacher and practitioner of leadership reflects a deep dedication to justice and empowerment, both locally and globally. She has applied her experience in management and strategic thinking to community development at institutions ranging in location from New Hampshire and Vermont to Tuvalu, Armenia, and Bhutan.

As the current Deputy Director of the Rockefeller Center for Public Policy at Dartmouth College, she manages overall operations. She conceptualized the curricula of high-impact co-curricular leadership and mentoring programs and now oversees them. In recognition of her work, Sadhana received Dartmouth College’s Sheila Culbert Distinguished Employee Service Award, the Australia Government’s Endeavor Executive Leadership Award to adapt and implement leadership curricula for Australian Indigenous communities, and acceptance into the Fulbright Specialist Program.

Over the past few years, over 25 students in the Center’s leadership programs, who have also participated in other organizations throughout Dartmouth, have gone on to receive awards including the Rhodes, Truman, Fulbright, Knight Hennessey, Schwarzman, and Pickering scholarships. She is the co-author of Teaching Leadership: Bridging Theory and Practice (2018) and her second book, Leadership Blueprints: Adopt, Adapt, and Adjust was published in July 2021.

She earned an M.A. in history from the University of Rajasthan, India, and completed an M.P.H. in public health from the University of North Carolina.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.