ILA Podcast

The Dance Between Leadership and Followership

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with Margaret Heffernan and Ira Chaleff

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We start with Margaret Heffernan talking about Turbulence as a chronic condition. Leadership is about building organizations that thrive in turbulence. 1. Acknowledge we are where we are. 2. Build an organization that is spectacularly alert to predict. 3. Be highly sensitive and responsive to what is happening. 4. Create and sustain information network. 5. Know what is going on. 6. Create an environment where it is safe to say what you see. Move away from fear to open to saying what you believe about what you are seeing. Then Ira talks about understanding that to bring out the best leadership requires the best followership. Influence is not unidirectional from leader to follower; it is bi-directional and multi-directional. They elevate each other’s performance in support of the mission that brings them together. We discuss how followers act with courage to collaborate with leaders and the idea of intelligent disobedience?

About the Guest

Margaret Heffernan
Margaret Heffernan is the author of the best-selling book UNCHARTED: How to Map the Future Together, nominated for a Financial Times Best Business Book award. She is a Professor of Practice at the University of Bath, Lead Faculty for the Forward Institute’s Responsible Leadership Programme and, through Merryck & Co., mentors CEOs and senior executives of major global organizations. She is the author of six books; her TED talks have been seen by over twelve million people.
Ira Chaleff

Ira Chaleff is an author, speaker, and innovative thinker. His latest work, Intelligent Disobedience is now available on Amazon. He is Founder and President of Executive coaching and consulting associates since 1996. As a coach, Ira provides a stimulating and safe environment for executives and their teams to examine, evaluate and significantly improve their management styles, skills and processes. Through targeted interviews, work-climate surveys, and multi-viewpoint feedback instruments, he involves all those who have a stake in the change process, analyzes their input and provides frank, constructive feedback sessions.

Host Maureen Metcalf

Maureen Metcalf

Maureen Metcalf brings 30 years of experience and success in the fields of leadership, innovation, and technology. A regular contributor to, Metcalf has authored an award-winning book series on leadership and is the Founder & CEO of the Innovative Leadership Institute. She is the host of an Innovating Leadership, a weekly international podcast that hit the airways in July 2015. As an ILA Fellow, Maureen partners with the International Leadership Associate on a series of global leadership podcasts within the show.