What we need from leaders today is vastly different than even a decade ago. That change began years ago; the pandemic merely accelerated it. The reason is simple: turbulence and uncertainty are now chronic conditions. Now, guest Margaret Heffernan says, leadership is about building organizations that thrive in turbulence. She shares six steps to make that happen.

Then, Ira Chaleff switches the perspective to your followers. After all, the best leadership requires the best followership. Influence is not unidirectional from leader to follower; it bounces back from the front line to the back office, too. Ira reveals how followers act with courage to collaborate with leaders — and shares the counterintuitive idea of intelligent disobedience.

Margaret Heffernan is the author of numerous book including Embracing Uncertainty: How Writers, Musicians and Artists Thrive in an Unpredictable World; Willful Blindness: Why We Ignore the Obvious at Our Peril; and Uncharted: How to Navigate the Future.

Ira Chaleff is the author of To Stop a Tyrant: The Power of Political Followers to Make or Brake a Toxic Leader; The Courageous Follower: Standing Up to and for Our Leaders; and Intelligent Disobedience: Doing Right When What You’re Told to Do Is Wrong.