ILA Podcast

Leadership Quarterly – Back to Basics

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with John Antonakis


John Antonakis believes that the key to moving forward is getting back to basics: “We need to go back to basics, do some clean experiments, use clean behavioral measures, and then we can build the scaffolding on firm concrete and not on Jell-O that we have right now.” Listen in as Scott and John converse about this and other areas in the field of leadership.

Quotes From This Episode:

  • On Charismatic Leadership Theory – “All the literature was written in a very abstract way… there are a lot of theoretical accounts of charismatic leaders, but it wasn’t properly defined. It was defined as if it was undefinable.”
  • “We said that charisma is basically symbolic, emotional, and value-laden…so values meaning that you speak about your morals, your values, what you’re defending. Symbolic means that you can speak in pictures, and emotion is that you can signal your emotions – your confidence, your emotional state, with your body, what you say, and on your face… These things are easy to observe, they’re easy to code objectively and easy to manipulate.”
  • “The process of becoming a doctor requires that one studies medicine and then gets certified to practice and uses interventions that have been tested. This doesn’t happen in leadership. People become leaders for all sorts of reasons.”
  • “We need to focus more on making the world of leaders selection more professional.”

About Dr. John Antonakis

John Antonakis is a Full Professor of Organizational Behavior at HEC Lausanne, University of Lausanne. His research focuses on predictors and outcomes of leadership, leadership development, psychometrics, and research methods.

He has published articles in many top journals such as Science, Psychological Science, Academy of Management Journal, Journal of Applied Psychology, Journal of Management, Journal of Operations Management, and Harvard Business Review. He has also published three books and 20 book chapters and has presented his research at dozens of conferences. He has received about 2.38 million Swiss Francs in funding for his research.

John is Editor in Chief of The Leadership Quarterly, and is on the editorial boards of many other top journals in management and applied psychology. He is a fellow of the Association for Psychological Science (APS) and the Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology (SIOP), as well as an elected member of the Society of Organizational Behaviour (SOB).

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Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.