ILA Lifetime Achievement Award winner Dr. Barbara Kellerman joins Scott to discuss her picks (or not!) for leader and follower of the year for 2023.

Dr. Barbara Kellerman was Founding Executive Director of the Center for Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School; the Kennedy’s School’s James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Leadership; and a member of the Harvard faculty for over twenty years. She is currently a Fellow at the Center. Kellerman is the author and editor of numerous books including:The End of Leadership (2012); Hard Times: Leadership in America (2014), Professionalizing Leadership (2018), Leaders Who Lust: Power, Money, Sex, Success, Legitimacy, Legacy (2020), and The Enablers: How Team Trump Flunked the Pandemic and Failed America (2021). Her latest book (2024) is Leadership From Bad to Worse. She was a cofounder of the International Leadership Association.