ILA Podcast

Lead & Follow

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Sharna Fabiano


Sharna Fabiano, internationally recognized tango artist, discusses the leader/follower dynamic with Scott.

Quotes From This Episode

“My life as a social dancer showed me that superior work, not to mention the most satisfying work comes not from everyone leading all of the time, but from leaders and followers working together.” 

Leaders and Followers – “On either side, there needs to be that healthy commitment and engagement.”

“Power can be organized in a way that’s more harmful/violent, or more supportive, protective, and nurturing…I think we’re maybe always going to be on that spectrum somehow, as a human family.”

About Sharna Fabiano

Sharna Fabiano is an internationally recognized tango artist. Over the course of her twenty-year dance career, she toured over a dozen countries, designed partner-based movement courses for undergraduates, and founded a nonprofit tango school in Washington, DC. She is an outspoken advocate for the study of both leading and following roles independent of gender, a training practice that builds empathy, inclusion, and creativity. Sharna brings her deep understanding of the leader/follower dynamic in social dance into the professional sphere with original coaching programs that help professionals and teams collaborate more successfully. Sharna earned her MFA in dance from UCLA and lives in Los Angeles. Her latest book is Lead & Follow: The Dance of Inspired Teamwork.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.