ILA Podcast

Gardeners Not Mechanics

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders

with Gary Lloyd 


Gary Lloyd joins Scott to discuss his new book Gardeners Not Mechanics: How to Cultivate Change at Work. “The world of work is an ecosystem of interdependent organizations, groups, and individuals. So, if you want to make a sustainable change at work, you are more likely to succeed if you approach your change as a gardener, not a mechanic.”

Quotes From Gary’s Book

  • “Mechanics rely on predictability. They assume that the same inputs produce the same outputs, time after time. A car, for example, will perform as predicted on a tarmac road.”
  • “Gardeners know that their environment is unpredictable, with much of it outside their control. Gardeners, therefore, take small steps towards a bigger goal. They experiment to find out what works and what doesn’t and continually adjust to what they find out.”

About Gary Lloyd

Gary Lloyd has led organizational change initiatives for nearly thirty years. Over the last decade, he has also helped professionals make personal and career changes in his role as a member of Warwick Business School’s Executive Coaching Panel and as a steering committee member for its mentoring program. He spent most of his career in banking and financial markets. However, through his consulting and coaching work, he has also worked with clients in manufacturing, construction, logistics, food processing, and IT services.

Learn More About Gary’s Work

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is the Standard Products—Dr. James S. Reid Chair in Management at John Carroll University. He is an associate professor and teaches courses in leadership, management skills, and executive communication. He is also a communications coach, consultant, author, podcast host, and entrepreneur. For almost two decades, he’s worked with clients to improve their leadership and communication skills. Learn more about Scott here.

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live.