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A Wider Framework

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leadership Podcast. Episode 214 and 215 - George A. Papandreou, Ron Heifetz, and Cynthia Cherrey, A Wider Framework The Official Podcast of the International Leadership Association

Guests: Former Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, Dr. Ron Heifetz, Dr. Cynthia Cherrey


In this two part episode, Scott talks with former Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, leadership guru Dr. Ron Heifetz, & ILA President Dr. Cynthia Cherrey as they come together at the intersection of leadership theory and practice to dispense some practical wisdom on today’s global challenges.

Host Scott J. Allen

Scott J. Allen

Scott J. Allen, Ph.D., is an award-winning educator passionate about working with people at all levels and across industries. He spent more than 20 years as a professor of management, and his areas of expertise include leadership, leader development, the future of work, and executive communication.  He is the founder and Principal at S & J Allen, LLC and formerly the Robert M. Ginn Institute Professor for Leadership & Social Responsibility at John Carroll University.

Scott has published more than 60 book chapters and peer-reviewed journal articles. He is the co-author of The Little Book of Leadership Development: 50 Ways to Bring Out the Leader in Every EmployeeEmotionally Intelligent Leadership: A Guide for College StudentsCaptovation: Online Presentations by Design;  and the textbook Discovering Leadership: Designing Your Success (2023).

Scott frequently serves as a keynote speaker. In addition, he consults, facilitates workshops, and leads retreats across industries. Learn more about Scott at

About Phronesis

Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders offers a smart, fast-paced discussion on all things leadership. Scott and his expert guests cover timely, relevant topics and incorporate practical tips designed to help you make a difference in how you lead and live. Phronesis is the official podcast of the International Leadership Association. 

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